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	Colvin Partaker	#16 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 00:57
		Incidentally, from the US former TWHS list, the Monadnock Building formerly submitted under the South Dearborn Street - Printing House Row North Historic District TWHS is now back in under the Early Chicago Skyscrapers TWHS, while the Point Reyes National Seashore/Farallon Islands National Wildlife Refuge former TWHS is now back as part of the California Current Conservation Complex TWHS. Of the sites dropped from the list, I'd like to see PuÊ»uhonua o HÅnaunau National Historical Park get another shot, and I still think the Wright Brothers National Monument should be an extension of the Dayton Aviation Sites TWHS.

	Solivagant Partaker	#17 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 01:09
		The map point for Parque Nacional Natural El Tuparro is incorrect - in Brazil rather than Colombia! The Parque is clearly shown on your map due North across the border.

	meltwaterfalls Partaker	#18 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 05:55 \| Edited by: meltwaterfalls
		Thanks for all your help on these! (updated Map) Solivagant: So - it would have been an extension to Canaima containing more Tepuis and does still exist as a series of protected areas outwith Canaima Ok, that explanation makes sense and what I was guessing, though having not found a specific "Formacion Parantepui" I was drawing a blank. I've put in the location for Formaciones de Tepuyes Natural Monument. Assif and Solivagant: re Barinas: My guess, and it is only a guess, would be the most significant archaeological site in the state, namely the area of the Bumbun petroglyphs Yep, that works for me, and I doubt anything particularly specific will be unearthed, so the amusingly monikered Bumbum wins out! Assif: The location of the dismantled Yenissei Bridge was next to Krasnoyarsk Not sure how I got that wrong, but amended now. Colvin: I tackled the US and Canadian former TWHS tonight BRILLIANT! thanks Colvin. I was slightly looking forward to reliving my travels by doing those, but to be honest it is just as satisfying seeing them populated straight away! I wish Utah had carried on with the process, my count would be increased considerably, and the list would have some real crackers on there. Solivagant: This should actually be spelt "GÃ¼vem". This is the best reference source I have found - it concerns the creation of a Geopark in the area (some other articles said that it had been set up but this doesn't seem to be the case. Here is a map - http://www.jeoparkankara.com/proje/jeositler It isn't quite clear to me what might be the "best" location as choice for coordinates -the Village of GÃ¼vem or in the countryside beyond?? Here are those for the village -40.591634, 32.659623 On Google Maps it will be seen that the entire area to the West is coloured green as a "park area" You've Cracked it! Thanks. On Google maps there is a location marker just north of the village for "KÄ±zÄ±lcahamam-Ã§amlÄ±dere JeoparkÄ±" which as you say seems to be what this proposal turned into. jonathanfr: A complement: https://www.protectedplanet.net/formaciones-de-tepuyes-natural-monument Oh thanks, I have used that site before, but very useful to be reminded of it. Assif: Thessaloniki is missing from the map. We don't have Thessaloniki in our list of former TWHS so it wasn't picked up. I've added it in, but I'm guessing it was left off as it was effectively the nomination of the inscribed Thessaloniki WHS. Solivagant: The map point for Parque Nacional Natural El Tuparro is incorrect - in Brazil rather than Colombia! Ah the 5 had dropped off the front of the co-ordinate so it had dropped a little more south, corrected now. ===== Things I haven't cracked yet: Bandjeli and Nagbani (Togo) I've found Bandjeli but haven't been able to get a definitive location for Nagbani. I know it has clay furnaces and is roughly in the same area somewhere, but haven't tracked it down yet. Site de Ben Jasla (Tunisia) can't find anything about this at all, any help would be appreciated. Best I've got is a transcription error from Ben Salah, who was a Tunisian trade union activist, but that seems a non starter, especially considering he was in political exile at the time of nomination.

	meltwaterfalls Partaker	#19 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 06:30 \| Edited by: meltwaterfalls
		I've just noticed that wikipedia (especially the German version) has a link to a map of the former WHS that have coordinates on their wikipedia page. It should be a fairly straight forward just to pull the coordinates out of those (will just have to teach myself how to do that). That could help with some of those remaining countries that have 25+ sites to map: meltwaterfalls: Mexico 26 Syria 26 Germany 64 Spain 69 Italy 74 That has worked to some extent with Germany and we have quickly gone from 64 to 34 without co-ordinates, Italy and Spain weren't quite as rich pickings though. Still that tips us over half way, 799 sites (incl. subsites) to map, 401 done so far!

	Solivagant Partaker	#20 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 08:23 \| Edited by: Solivagant
		I will do Mexico - it seems appropriate as i have visited, I think, 12 of the 26! Now can I remember where they were? Mexico Archaeological Zone of Bonampak and Lacandon Forest 16.704075, -91.064651 Mexico Archaeological Zone of Cacaxtla 19.244164, -98.340010 Mexico Chihuahua Desert Zone (Mapimi Biosphere Reserve) 26.627498, -103.888385 Mexico Churches in the Zoque Province, Chiapas ex-convent of Santo Domingo in Tecpatan 17.137073, -93.312051 (7 more!!) Mexico Complex - Franciscan Convent & Our Lady of the Assumption Cath, Tlaxcala (as ext of Popocatepetl) 19.313936, -98.237980 Mexico Former Jesuit Colleges in Tepotzotl 19.713444, -99.221728 Mexico Fort of San Juan de Ulua 19.209438, -96.131385 Mexico Fundidora Monterrey Blast Furnaces 25.676231, -100.282612 Mexico Historic Town of San Cristobal de las Casas and indigenous villages (I have chosen 2 - but as we don't "know" perhaps we should leave them out? San Cristobal de las Casas16.736998, -92.637588 San Juan Chamula 16.788225, -92.689432 Tenejapa 16.817598, -92.507540 Mexico Industrial complex of the textile factory La Constancia Mexicana and its housing area 19.093704, -98.235010 Mexico Ludwig Mies Van Der Rohe and Felix Candela's Industrial Buildings Bacardi Bottling Plant 19.627559, -99.189207 Mexico Monterrey's Industrial Facilities: Foundry, Brewery and Glassworks Foundry - same as Blast furnace??? Brewery 25.693854, -100.317106 Glassworks Mexico Natural Reserve El Triunfo 15.665014, -92.796744 Mexico Patzcuaro Lake Cultural Zone 19.558335, -101.646902 Mexico Pie de Vaca Palaeontological deposits 18.591172, -97.918570 Mexico Railway Station in the City of Aguascalientes and its Housing Complex 21.885371, -102.281083 Mexico Reserve de Biosphere Selva El Ocote 17.000118, -93.667677 Mexico Rock of Bernal, Sacred Places and Chapels of Otome - Chichimeca Lineage, Queretaro's Semi-desert Rock of Bernal 20.748938, -99.944885 Chapels of Otomi (San Miguel Toliman) 20.868516, -99.962013 Mexico San Luis PotosÃ on the Mercury and Silver Route of the Intercontinental Camino Real 22.151369, -100.974237 Mexico Sierra de San Francisco et ses peintures rupestres (proposed under natural criteria) Is this really "Former"?? if so use same. Mexico Sierra de San Pedro Martir - Rock Paintings and natural environment 30.905278, -115.501111 Mexico Sotano del Barro 21.311398, -99.667573 Mexico The Ahuehuete Tree of Santa Maria del Tule 17.046515, -96.636196 Mexico The City of Oaxaca, the archaeological site of Monte Alban and the site of Cuilapan (Cuilapan) 16.992405, -96.779089 Mexico Wetlands of Centla and TÃ©rminos Centla 18.355502, -92.591472 Terminos 18.658629, -91.563131 Mexico Zone de monuments de Puebla et Cholula (Cholula) 19.058111, -98.301802

	meltwaterfalls Partaker	#21 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 08:44 \| Edited by: meltwaterfalls
		Hold your horses on Mexico, I am just going through them now. (Though if you have done them already we can compare and see if i have got them wrong, could be a good bit of QA) These are the ones I don't have yet (the ones with multiple locations) Churches in the Zoque Province, Chiapas Former Jesuit Colleges in Tepotzotl Rock of Bernal, Sacred Places and Chapels of Otome - Chichimeca Lineage, Queretaro's Semi-desert Wetlands of Centla and TÃ©rminos

	Solivagant Partaker	#22 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 09:55
		meltwaterfalls: Hold your horses on Mexico, Already done i am afraid! Above

	meltwaterfalls Partaker	#23 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 10:12 \| Edited by: meltwaterfalls
		Solivagant: Already done i am afraid! Above Oh well, lets compare and see how mine tally up, all in the name of Quality Assurance. This is the current list of sites missing co-ordinates, I'm going to have a break for a little while so if anyone else wan't to pick some up then jump in meltwaterfalls: Country Continent Site Algeria Africa Citadel Quarter of Setif Algeria Africa Les Atlas, Atlas Saharien Algeria Africa Les mosquÃ©es de Tlemcen Algeria Africa Sidi bu-Medina Burkina Faso Africa Falaises de Banfora associÃ©es aux pics de Sindou Burkina Faso Africa Gravures rupestres de la grotte de Borodougou Burkina Faso Africa Niangouri Burkina Faso Africa Sati Burkina Faso Africa Villages de Koro Cameroon Africa Cases-obus de Karsiki Chad Africa Moundang traditional houses China Asia Anji Bridge China Asia Beijing Ancient Observatory China Asia Dule Temple China Asia Extension Project of Ancient Villages in South Anhui Province: Tangyue, Likeng and Wangkou village China Asia Extension Project of Temple and Cemetery of Confucius and the Kong Family Mansion in Qufu: Temple of Confucius at Nishan China Asia Huangguoshu Waterfalls China Asia Jixian - conservation area of Mid/Upper Proterozoic China Asia Kaiyuan Temple Pagoda of Dingzhou City China Asia Lugou Bridge China Asia Pagoda, Library Caves and Stone Tablets of sutra of Yunju Temple China Asia Putuo Mountain Scenic Resort China Asia Shanxi Businessmen's Courtyard Houses China Asia Site of Ancient Copper Mine: Site of Ancient Copper Mine in Tongling China Asia Site of the Qi State Capital and the Mausoleum of King of the Qi State at Linzi China Asia The Forest of Steles in Xian China Asia Tonglushan Ancient Copper Mine Sites China Asia Yongle Palace Congo (Democratic Republic) Africa Bunzi Sanctuary Congo (Democratic Republic) Africa Kundelungu Park Congo (Democratic Republic) Africa Maiko park Congo (Democratic Republic) Africa Manbetu court Congo (Democratic Republic) Africa Mbanga-Ngungu Caves Congo (Democratic Republic) Africa Royal village of Bakuba Congo (Republic) Africa Archaeological Site of Bittori Congo (Republic) Africa Church of Lounzolo Congo (Republic) Africa Diosso Groge and associated habitats Congo (Republic) Africa Ma-Loango Royal Palace Congo (Republic) Africa St. Anne du Congo Basilica Indonesia Asia Banten Ancient City Indonesia Asia Belgica Fort Indonesia Asia Besakih Indonesia Asia Elephant Cave Indonesia Asia Great Mosque of Demak Indonesia Asia Gunongan Historical Park Indonesia Asia Lore Lindu NP Indonesia Asia Ngada traditional house and megalithic complex Indonesia Asia Penataran Hindu Temple Complex Indonesia Asia Pulau Penyengat Palace Complex Indonesia Asia Ratu Boko Temple Complex Indonesia Asia Sukuh Hindu Temple Indonesia Asia Waruga Burial Complex Israel Asia Pre-historic Sites: Ubadiyya, Sha'ar Hagolan, Mount Carmel Libya Africa Apollonia Libya Africa Euesperides Libya Africa Germa Libya Africa Ghirza Libya Africa Medina Sultan Libya Africa Ptolemais Libya Africa Taucherie (Tocra) Libya Africa Tripoli Madagascar Africa Antongona Madagascar Africa Arbres Silicifiies Madagascar Africa Complex Defensif de la Cote Est Malagasy Madagascar Africa Fort de Mahavelona Madagascar Africa Le Sud Malagache Madagascar Africa Massif D'Ambra Madagascar Africa Palais de Andafiavaratra Madagascar Africa Paysage culturel rizicole et hydraulique de Betafo Madagascar Africa Site et Rova de Tsinjoarivo Madagascar Africa Sites Archeologiques de Vohemar et le long de la Cote Nord-Est Madagascar Africa Sites Islamiques du Nord-Ouest Madagascar Africa Village Zafimaniry Mali Africa Ensemble Adrar des Iforhas, Valle du Tilemsi, Es-souk Mali Africa Etablissements humains de la falaise de Tamboura Mali Africa Etablissements humains de la region de Kangaba, coeur du Pays Mande Mali Africa Etablissements humains du Lac Debo et Culture Bozo Mali Africa Piste Trans Saharienne de l'Or et du Sel -Thegaza, Taoudeni etc Mali Africa Un ensemble hypogees de la Region de Bougouni Morocco Africa Draa-Bani-Haut-Atlas Mozambique Africa Gorongosa Region Mozambique Africa Great Inselberg Archipelago of N Mozambique Mozambique Africa Riane Rock Paintings Nigeria Africa Abuja (New Capital) Nigeria Africa Birni Gazargamu and Gambaru Nigeria Africa Kainji Lake National Park Nigeria Africa Museum of Traditional Nigerian Architecture - Jos Philippines Asia Agusan Marsh Wildlife Sanctuary Philippines Asia Historic Centre of Manila Intramuros Philippines Asia Jesuit Churches of the Philippines Philippines Asia Ligawasan Marsh Philippines Asia Mount Apo Natural Park Philippines Asia Mt. Matutum Protected Landscape Philippines Asia Panglao Island, Bohol Philippines Asia San Sebastian Church Philippines Asia Spanish Colonial Fortifications of the Philippines Philippines Asia Taal Volcano Protected landscape, Batangas Philippines Asia The Maranao settlement of Tugaya Philippines Asia Town of Taal Syria Asia Al Refada Syria Asia Al-Rasafa (Sergiopolis) Syria Asia Bahio Syria Asia Bamouqa Syria Asia Bourade Syria Asia Carqabis Syria Asia Chahba (Philipopolis) Syria Asia Danes Syria Asia L'Ancienne route traversant la Region d'Al-lajat Syria Asia L'Ã©glise de Qalbe Loze Syria Asia La Forteresse d'al-Rahbe Syria Asia La Forteresse de Ja'abar Syria Asia La Forteresse de Marqab Syria Asia La Forteresse de Najm Syria Asia La Route Romain entre Alep et Antakia Syria Asia Le Palais de Ibn Wardan Syria Asia Qatoura Syria Asia Salhiet al-Fourat Syria Asia Sarjaleh Syria Asia Sergilla Syria Asia Sit el Roum Syria Asia Syrrhus Syria Asia Tell Ade Syria Asia Tell Ein-dara Syria Asia Tell El-Machrafa (Qatana) Syria Asia Zeus Madbachus Tanzania Africa Bagamoyo Stone Town and Kaole Ruins Tanzania Africa Engaruka Ruins Park Tanzania Africa Laetoli Site Tanzania Africa Lake Manyara National Park Tanzania Africa Mahale National Park Tanzania Africa Ruaha National Park Tanzania Africa Tarangire National Park Tanzania Africa Tendaguru Dinosaur Site Togo Africa Bandjeli and Nagbani Tunisia Africa Site de Ben Jasla Yemen Asia Site de Naynoune Al-Hada'

	meltwaterfalls Partaker	#24 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 10:17 \| Edited by: meltwaterfalls
		meltwaterfalls: Country Continent Site Italy Europe Alba Fucens Italy Europe Alps, a) Western Alps, b) Dolomites, c) Eastern Alps Italy Europe Baia di Napoli con Capri, Ischia e Procida Italy Europe Castles of the Trentino Italy Europe Centro storico di Cividale a tempietto longobardo Italy Europe Complessi di culto romanici dell'Abruzzo Italy Europe Fascia costiera da Castellammare del Golfo a Trapani, con Erice, Mozia e la Isole Egadi Italy Europe Fortezze dei Montefeltro Italy Europe Fossil Forest of Dunarobba Italy Europe Giotto e il Beato Angelico - Assisi e Cortona Italy Europe Il Castrum di Aosta Italy Europe Itria valley Italy Europe Montecristo Island and its marine environment Italy Europe National Park of Abruzzo Italy Europe Oasi di Ninfa Italy Europe Ostia Antica, Porto di Roma + Isola Sacra Italy Europe Otranto Italy Europe Palermo, botanical garden and Monreale Italy Europe Papal Residence of Anagni Italy Europe Parco e Ville dei Castelli Romani (Colli Albani) Italy Europe Parco Nazionale Del Gran Paradiso Italy Europe Parco Nazionale della Stelvio Italy Europe Piazza maggiore, Todi Italy Europe Piero della Francesca - Siena, Firenze, Borgo San Sepolcro Italy Europe Pisticci Italy Europe Pomponesco Italy Europe Ponds of Cagliari Italy Europe Port of Pyrgi Italy Europe Promontorio del Gargano con Monte S.Angelo, Isole Tremiti e Foresta Umbra Italy Europe Promontorio di Portofino con i centri storici di Camogli, S.Fruttuoso fino alla baia di Paraggi Italy Europe Railway station Santa Maria Novella, Florence Italy Europe Revere and Bozzolo Italy Europe Riserva Bosco Fontana Italy Europe San Pellegrino Terme Italy Europe Sanctuary of Fortuna, Palestrina Italy Europe Santa Maria delle Carceri, Prato Italy Europe Santuario rupestre di Olevano sul Tusciano Italy Europe Santuario Sannitico di Pietrabbondante Italy Europe Spoleto and Tempietto sul Clitunno Italy Europe Tempio Malatestiano Italy Europe Thermal architecture of Arco Italy Europe Thermal Architecture of Merano Italy Europe Trani Cathedral Italy Europe Tropea Italy Europe Turin historic centre Italy Europe Uccellina NP Italy Europe Veio Italy Europe Ville Vesuviane Italy Europe Wine Grape landscapes: Langhe, Roero, Monferrato and Valtellina Italy Europe Zone Carsiche: risorgenza del Timavo e Grotta Gigante Spain Europe Albuferas y Humedales mediterrÃ¡neos, Comunidad Valenciana Spain Europe Almagro: ciudad del teatro clÃ¡sico, Ciudad Real Spain Europe Ãrbol y Casa de Juntas de Gernika, Gernika-Bizkaia Spain Europe ArchipiÃ©lago de Cabrera, Islas Baleares Spain Europe Atarazanas Reales (Reials Drassanes), Barcelona Spain Europe Betancuria (Fuertaventura) - Hisotirc Ensemble Spain Europe Boqueixon - Pico Sacro Spain Europe CabaÃ±eros, Castilla-La Mancha Spain Europe Caltojar - Hermitage of San Baudelio de Berlanda Spain Europe Camino de la lengua castellana, La Rioja Spain Europe Cartagena y su entorno natural: Historia y Paisaje Spain Europe Casco antiguo de Cadiz Spain Europe Casco historico de Burgos Spain Europe Centro alfarero de Arguayo, Santiago del Teide Tenerife Spain Europe Church of San Juan de Banos de Cerrato (Palecia) Spain Europe Church of Santiago de Penalba Spain Europe Ciudad de Morella Spain Europe Coca - Castillo Spain Europe Collegiate Church of Sant Vincenc de Cardona Spain Europe Colonias industriales de los rÃos Cardener y Llobregat Spain Europe Conjunto arqueolÃ³gico de Numancia, Castilla-Leon Spain Europe Conjunto HistÃ³rico de Santa Cruz de La Palma (La Palma) Spain Europe Conjunto urbano y arquitectura popular de la ciudad de Albarracin Spain Europe Cultural Itinerary of Francis Xavier Spain Europe Dinosaur Ichnite Sites of the Iberian Peninsula Spain Europe El arte efÃmero en la fiesta del Corpus Christi Castilla-La Mancha Spain Europe El Barranc d'Algendar. Menorca Spain Europe El Barranco de Poquoira, Granada Spain Europe El camino de caballos de Menorca Spain Europe El Canal de Castilla, Castilla-LeÃ³n Spain Europe El casco antiguo de Ciutadela, Menorca Spain Europe El conjunto histÃ³rico de XÃ¡tiva, Commun Valenc Spain Europe El monasterio de San Antonio el Real, Segovia Spain Europe El RocÃo, Huelva Spain Europe El RomÃ¡nico Palentino, Palencia Spain Europe Fortificaciones y dependencias militares de Mao y es Castell Spain Europe Gradefes - Church of San Miguel de Escalada Spain Europe HÃ´pital Royal de la Santa Cruz Spain Europe Iglesias rurales de Ibiza y Formentera Spain Europe La Celtiberia, AragÃ³n Spain Europe La Depresion Guadix - Baza, Granada Spain Europe La Ruta de la Sal (Canarias) Spain Europe La ruta de los dÃ³lmenes, Extremadura Spain Europe La ruta del comercio de la nieve, Comun Valenc Spain Europe Las Huelgas Spain Europe Las representaciones teatrales de caracter popular Cast- La Manch Spain Europe Las Torres de defensa, Baleares Spain Europe Los Barruecos de Malpartida, CÃ¡ceres Spain Europe Miraflores (Carthusian) Spain Europe Miranda del Castanar - Historic Ensemble Spain Europe Odiel Marshes Spain Europe Palacio de la Granja Spain Europe Renaissance and Baroque Arch in the City of Granada (extension of Granada) Spain Europe Ruta Colombina Spain Europe San Fernando Salt Ponds Spain Europe San Isidoro de Leon Spain Europe Santillana del Mar - Historic Ensemble Spain Europe Silos - Monasterio de Sto Domingo Spain Europe Tarrasa - Acropolis S.Miguel, S Pedro and Sta Maria Spain Europe The Architecture of Dry Built Stone Spain Europe The Monastery of San Lorenzo de El Escorial and Natural Surroundings Spain Europe The Works of Antoni GaudÃ (8 locations extension) Spain Europe Wine and Vineyard Cultural Itinerary through Mediterranean Towns Including the additional recently discovered Spanish ones.

	meltwaterfalls Partaker	#25 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 10:56
		meltwaterfalls: Oh well, lets compare and see how mine tally up, all in the name of Quality Assurance. Here you go, they are all but identical, except the odd one where you or I have done an extra location.

	Solivagant Partaker	#26 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 11:25 \| Edited by: Solivagant
		The former site was called "Ludwig Mies Van Der Rohe and Felix Candela's Industrial Buildings" - i.e "Plural" - are there more than the Bacardi Bottling Plant where they worked together?? I will take on Pakistan (unless you are doing it!!) OK??

	Assif Partaker	#27 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 11:47
		meltwaterfalls: We don't have Thessaloniki in our list of former TWHS so it wasn't picked up. The FTWHS included ancient sites. It is on the country page but somehow it is missing on the FTWHS list: https://www.worldheritagesite.org/tentative/former/id/9174

	meltwaterfalls Partaker	#28 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 11:49
		Solivagant: The former site was called "Ludwig Mies Van Der Rohe and Felix Candela's Industrial Buildings" - i.e "Plural" - are there more than the Bacardi Bottling Plant where they worked together?? I was confused by that as well, but I think it refers to the multiple buildings on the same site. Probably isn't how a native English speaker would term it, but there is some logic to it. Yep feel free to pile into Pakistan (I e-mailed you a link if that is of use), I may try to finish off Germany and then I'm off to the zoo tomorrow so probably won't get much done then.

	Solivagant Partaker	#29 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 12:11 \| Edited by: Solivagant
		meltwaterfalls: I'm off to the zoo tomorrow so probably won't get much done then. On holiday *at home*???? Ah well - that's what being a father leads to!

	meltwaterfalls Partaker	#30 \| Posted: 5 Jun 2018 12:17 \| Edited by: meltwaterfalls
		Solivagant: On holiday at home???? Ah well - that's what being a father is all about! I know, takes some getting used to. After nearly two decades of keeping every possible day of leave for international trips I now get to use them driving around Surrey and Hampshire. Still well worth it though :).

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