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Author Astraftis
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#151 | Posted: 19 Apr 2023 12:00 
meltwaterfalls
It still is an extremely interesting one, though, and I would suggest it to you for a visit in Milan... offering myself as guide! B-)

Author Assif
Partaker
#152 | Posted: 19 Apr 2023 17:23 
Thanks for maintaining the map @meltwaterfalls!
If you are planning an update some FTWHS should also be removed as they are no included in new TWHS (Tunisia, Mexico, Chile among others). The Australian FTWHS are missing completely.

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#153 | Posted: 19 Apr 2023 18:20 
Oh thanks for pointing out the Australian FTWHS, I know when I first compiled the map we hadn't identified any Australian FTWHS

Will be something useful to see what others have turned up since 2018, to go the with the full rationalisation of the data.

I think I may reinstate any FTWHS that have subsequently become a different WHS or TWHS as I think it would be interesting to see what happens in total.

Author elsslots
Admin
#154 | Posted: 20 Apr 2023 09:39 
FredericM:
First, we are missing a FTWHS of Canada, the Détroit de Lancaster.

This has been subsumed into the current TWHS Sirmilik National Park and Tallurutiup Imanga (proposed) National Marine Conservation Area

Author Assif
Partaker
#155 | Posted: 14 Jan 2024 02:10 
Assif:
Bunzi is probably the village of Bemba-Bunzi:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bemba-Bunzi
It is currently located within the Conkouati-Douli NP, created in 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conkouati-Douli_National_Park
The FTWHS is from 1987, so I guess it was later subsumed into the larger NP. I would give the coordintes of the village within the park for the FTWHS:
-5.483121, 13.054143

I have just found out that this attribution is wrong. The suggested NP is even at the wrong Congo.
Bunzi is actually a cultural site in the village Banana:
https://royaumeloango.org/les-notables-et-la-cour-royale/

Author Astraftis
Partaker
#156 | Posted: 4 Jun 2025 22:04 | Edited by: Astraftis 
I tried to access meltwaterfall's map, but I got a sad message by Google saying that "Google Fusion Tables and the Fusion Tables API have been discontinued". I hope that this has not destroyed your work, melt!!! Can we still see the map somewhere?

This makes the question I had in mind even more acute. The pages for former TWHSs do not have map information (the map is centered by default on Manhattan, for some reason), even if they had one as TWHSs, and even if they retain their reviews and possibly other statistics. I think it's a pity and can't remember if this was a deliberate choice. Anyway, sometimes this information appears to have disappeared: I have noticed it for Ireland's savagely removed TWHSs, for which I can't find anything anymore, and whose dossiers have been taken off the UNESCO site. But they still present some interest, no? Some might even resurface (I cannot believe that Ireland will never reconsider its early monastic sites).

Author kintante
Partaker
#157 | Posted: 5 Jun 2025 05:38 | Edited by: kintante 
Funny, I also recently started this private project to figure out which FTWHS I visited. It's not that easy. Some are now part of an inscribed site and in general it's even more unclear than for TWHS, what was actually proposed. E.g. Buchenwald. Had to ask Nan, if the KZ was meant, or an actual beech forest.

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#158 | Posted: 5 Jun 2025 07:09 
Astraftis:
I tried to access meltwaterfall's map, but I got a sad message by Google saying that "Google Fusion Tables and the Fusion Tables API have been discontinued". I hope that this has not destroyed your work, melt!!! Can we still see the map somewhere?

Here you go, I backed it up when Google discontinued Fusion Tables

Google maps version of FTWHS list

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#159 | Posted: 5 Jun 2025 07:14 | Edited by: Solivagant 
kintante:
E.g. Buchenwald

We have this as added in 1989 and removed in 1990...... but i have looked at all the WHC and Bureau documents from that time - they sometimes in those early years (but not always) included an item on Tentative Lists. I can find NO mention of any alterations to the German T List (pdf page ) of October 1984 (tabled in time for the 1984 WHC commencing Oct 29 1984 but first listed within the documents of the 1985 WHC) and it did NOT include Buchenwald in any form - cultural or natural.
This document from 1995 shows that Germany submitted a revised Tentative List in 1993. Did Germany REALLY make an amendment to its 1984 list for just 1 year across 1989/90???? Where did this information come from?? I have done a search within the Forum as we often stated where we had found these removed T List entries..... but nothing there either. The only mentions of Buchenwald are much more recent in relation to its "aspiring" aspect (which got nowhere). ELS - Did you receive the info directly from someone rather than via the Forum?

Author elsslots
Admin
#160 | Posted: 5 Jun 2025 11:06 | Edited by: elsslots 
Solivagant:
ELS - Did you receive the info directly from someone rather than via the Forum?

Yes, by mail. It was on the GDR tentative list. https://www.mdr.de/geschichte/dokumente-unesco-100.html (it's the former concentration camp near Weimar not a random beech forest)

It was also discussed here https://www.worldheritagesite.org/forums/index.php?action=vthread&forum=10&topic=1758&page=8#msg18974

Author Astraftis
Partaker
#161 | Posted: 5 Jun 2025 19:13 
meltwaterfalls:
Astraftis:
I tried to access meltwaterfall's map, but I got a sad message by Google saying that "Google Fusion Tables and the Fusion Tables API have been discontinued". I hope that this has not destroyed your work, melt!!! Can we still see the map somewhere?

Here you go, I backed it up when Google discontinued Fusion Tables

Google maps version of FTWHS list

Thanks! I am relieved! Even if I see that the Ospedale Maggiore in Milan is still the wrong one :-P

I wonder if this information can't bekept on the site, too. When reading some reviews for Ireland, people going to early monastic sites or western stone forts had an idea of where to go, had a dossier. Now I had to reconstruct from the reviews some of the places: the information has unfortunately gone lost. Could it be possible to reinstate it?

Author nfmungard
Partaker
#162 | Posted: 6 Jun 2025 06:46 
Core zones? .. Just saying, for those into mapping exercises... Corezones as KML or GeoJson would be super nice...

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#163 | Posted: 7 Jun 2025 07:19 
This map has the data for all the FTWHS that we could find that weren't on the T list when the project started.

But quite a few tentative sites have been dropped off the tentative list since then, so it may be good to have a bit of time to pull all the locations we had for those sites into a renewed archive map of FTWHS,

I find it useful and satisfying to have every site in one location.but I don't have to deal with hosting fees/ load times etc so perhaps it is something we can look into having a home somewhere.

Author Assif
Partaker
#164 | Posted: 7 Jun 2025 11:17 
meltwaterfalls:
This map has the data for all the FTWHS that we could find that weren't on the T list when the project started.

Other FTWHS we discovered later are missing as well (e.g., Lena river delta in Russia or the Australian ones).

Astraftis:
I wonder if this information can't bekept on the site, too.

I would also find it helpful to have a location for FTWHS on the website, although it would be better if it only appeared when looking at the site itself and not at the country.

Author elsslots
Admin
#165 | Posted: 14 Feb 2026 05:20 
meltwaterfalls and I have been making some progress in adding his "old" set of FTWHS locations to the website.
We had ca. 440 FTWHS without coordinates.
meltwaterfalls has submitted 529 coordinates for them (some FTWHS have more than 1 location)
I am in the process of adding them batch-wise to the website, and it will probably take all weekend

A few will remain missing. I believe he will do a search request here for those he could not locate

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