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Out or in doubt #30

 
 
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Author Solivagant
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#31 | Posted: 23 Sep 2023 05:34 | Edited by: Solivagant 
elsslots:
Santineketan
Works by Nobel Prize winning authors
need an example of a work of Tagore where Santiniketan is featured

This Connection needs an explanation - it it solely for WHS which are "described" in a work by a Nobel Prize Winning author OR WHS "connected to" a Nobel prize Winning author, potentially in some more general way (born there, died there etc) - I assume we were using the former??

"Luckily" Tagore DID write a poem in which Saniniketan figured.

"The Shantiniketan School song" - https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Shantiniketan;_the_Bolpur_School_of_Rabindranath_Tagore.djvu/17

Author elsslots
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#32 | Posted: 23 Sep 2023 05:40 
Solivagant:
it it solely for WHS which are "described" in a work by a Nobel Prize Winning author

We've used Described. Will add it to the connection explanation

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#33 | Posted: 23 Sep 2023 05:55 | Edited by: Solivagant 
jonathanfr:
elsslots:
We're looking for one in the WWI memorials
Mémorial de Thiepval

This Memorial dates from 1928/32.... by Lutyens........... it IS of course "into" the Art Deco era but Lutyens wouldn't normally be considered an "Art Deco" architect!!! More "Arts & Crafts" and drawing on Classical/Palladian. Searches on e.g "What architectural style is the Thiepval memorial" don.t return anything which calls it "Art Deco". A more "leading search on "Art Deco Thiepval memorial" only returns one item - this from Czechia - https://en.mapy.cz/zakladni?source=osm&id=94316878&x=2.6856697&y=50.0505807&z=19 (scroll down on RHS to "Architectural Style"

Can it really be called "Art Deco"?? Needs more reputable sources??

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#34 | Posted: 23 Sep 2023 06:04 
Perhaps a connection with acoustic phenomena in nature

- Cold winter deserts of Turan
https://www.lonelyplanet.com/kazakhstan/altyn-emel-national-park/attractions/singing-dune/a/poi-sig/1579018/1325949

- Ilulissat Icefjord
"dramatic sounds"
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1149/

- Los Glaciares
"launching massive igloo icebergs into the lake with thunderous splashes"
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/145/

- Victoria Falls
Mosi-oa-Tunya—"The Smoke That Thunders"

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#35 | Posted: 23 Sep 2023 06:35 
Funerary and memory sites of the First World War
- Reinforced Concrete: Fort de Douaumont
- Romanesque Revival architecture (new connection?): Douaumont Ossuary
- Sieges and Battles

Kuldiga
- Brick architecture: Old Brick Bridge
- Notable bridges: Old Brick Bridge
https://www.lonelyplanet.com/latvia/kuldiga/attractions/old-brick-bridge/a/poi-sig/1630817/1003812

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#36 | Posted: 23 Sep 2023 06:53 | Edited by: jonathanfr 
Globally Important Agricultural Heritage Systems (GIAHS)
- Ancient Tea Plantations of Pu'er
https://www.fao.org/giahs/giahsaroundtheworld/designated-sites/asia-and-the-pacific/puer-traditional-tea-agrosystem/en/
- Kilimanjaro National Park
https://www.fao.org/giahs/giahsaroundtheworld/designated-sites/africa/shimbwe-juu-kihamba-agro-forestry-heritage-site/en/

Agroindustrial (new connection):
- Champagne
- Tequila
- Van Nellefabriek
- Žatec – the Town of Hops

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#37 | Posted: 23 Sep 2023 07:19 | Edited by: Solivagant 
jonathanfr:
Agroindustrial (new connection):
- Champagne
- Tequila
- Van Nellefabriek
- Žatec – the Town of Hops

We already have brewing, coffee, sugar and wine connections - how to avoid duplication and/or overlap? At the moment some emphasise primarily the "agro" aspect rather than the "industrial" one.... or vv. If a site doesn't have BOTH relevant "Agriculture" AND "Industry" within its boundaries then presumably it is not "Agro-industrial"? The Colombian coffee is certainly both.... and I suspect that many of the other coffee, sugar and wine ones will contain both aspects within their boundaries nut others are more tangental. E.g Harar wouldn't - i presume it is only under the coffee connection because of the wealth from coffee which concentrated there? Most of the Brewing ones are only "industrial"?
What about historic "Agro-industrial - included or not? e,g Valley de los Ingenios: "a living museum of the sugar industry featuring 75 ruined sugar mills..."

Author Colvin
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#38 | Posted: 23 Sep 2023 08:12 | Edited by: Colvin 
Speaking of works described by Nobel Prize winning authors (and thanks for pointing out the need for clarification and adding that clarification, Solivagant and Els), I have another one from a book I read over the summer:

Le Morne Cultural Landscape: J.M.G. LeClézio (2008), The Prospector

Author Colvin
Partaker
#39 | Posted: 23 Sep 2023 08:45 
I also realized there are two more from a book I read a few years back:

Auschwitz Birkenau: Imre Kertész (2002), Fatelessness
Budapest: Imre Kertész (2002), Fatelessness

And another from a book I read a couple years ago. I may have to reread it, because there may be more connections.

Vienna: Jose Saramago (1998), The Elephant's Journey

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#40 | Posted: 23 Sep 2023 09:28 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Colvin:
Le Morne Cultural Landscape: J.M.G. LeClézio (2008), The Prospector

An interesting suggestion Colvin - a book of which i was not (but certainly should have been!!!!) aware.
Your suggestion has led me to read more about the book both for background interest before deciding whether to read it myself (!) and to try to establish its direct connection to the inscribed area of Le Morne.

I have unfortunately been unable to do the latter. As far as I can establish, the parts which take place on Mauritius itself refer to an unspecified wild area on the Western Forested side of Mauritius. Le Clézio calls the place "the Boucan valley". No "real" locations on Mauritius are mentioned (?) - there is also a "Forest Side" and a "Mananava". Might either of those be Le Morne.? It appears that the the Boucan estate is based upon the Le Clézio family estate from 1856 of "Eureka" (which is open for viewing to this day) - but that is not in/on Le Morne, being close to Port Louis.

Do you know if any other places used by Le Clézio in the novel can more reliably be assigned to Le Morne - or is the "Connection" just to general "wild forested areas" on the Western side of Mauritius rather than to "Le Morne" itself???

If you can more firmly link places/events in the novel to Le Morne it would be useful I feel for justifying the Connection

PS Els.
As you have recently returned from Mauritius you might be interested in this article I cam across whilst trying to establish the source of the fictional locations within "the Prospector" - "Competition over "sites of memory": Le Morne Brabant and Creole Identity in Mauritius" . It considers the (then) current state of Creole identity and the role of the Le Morne UNESCO inscription in helping to identify, develop and cement it. A comparison is also made with the inscription of Aapravasi Ghat - another "Site of memory" meaning that both of the Mauritian WHS are of that type.

Author Colvin
Partaker
#41 | Posted: 23 Sep 2023 10:05 
Solivagant

Absolutely. Alexis grows up with an idyllic childhood on Mauritius, and he goes on a sailing trip with his Creole friend around La Morne. He gets in trouble for this journey since he hadn't informed his father

Author elsslots
Admin
#42 | Posted: 23 Sep 2023 10:13 
Solivagant:
As you have recently returned from Mauritius

It was the neighbouring island that I visited this time, LOL!

Author Assif
Partaker
#43 | Posted: 23 Sep 2023 17:21 
elsslots:
Maybe we can find one that includes UK and US territories as wel

Hawaii is certainly "overseas", however, it is not a dependent territory but fully integrated into the USA. Same is true of many other WHS such as Easter Island (Chile), Malpelo (Colombia), Lord Howe Island (Australia), NZ Subantractic Islands (New Zealand), Wrangel (Russia), Soqotra (Yemen) or Ogasawara (Japan). The EU list of outermost regions only includes islands + French Guyana, which are further apart from the mainland. Closer islands such as Sicily, Corsica, Mallorca and Rhodes are not included. Moreover, the territories have to constitute a separate region (an administrative unit), which is true of all the islands mentioned in Europe, but for example not for Ogasawara or Lord Howe Island. Tiny islands like Skellig Michael or Saint Michel are similarly excluded. How should we proceed? Maybe something along the lines of "located on an island more than x kms from the mainland/main island". This would have to be an arbitrary limit to allow for some, but not all islands to be included. We probably wouldn't like to have Djerba on that list and I'm not sure about Tasmania, the Shetlands etc.

Author elsslots
Admin
#44 | Posted: 24 Sep 2023 00:43 
Solivagant:
jonathanfr:
elsslots:
We're looking for one in the WWI memorials
Mémorial de Thiepval

This Memorial dates from 1928/32.... by Lutyens........... it IS of course "into" the Art Deco era but Lutyens wouldn't normally be considered an "Art Deco" architect!!! More "Arts & Crafts" and drawing on Classical/Palladian. Searches on e.g "What architectural style is the Thiepval memorial" don.t return anything which calls it "Art Deco". A more "leading search on "Art Deco Thiepval memorial" only returns one item - this from Czechia - https://en.mapy.cz/zakladni?source=osm&id=94316878&x=2.6856697&y=50.0505807&z=19 (scroll down on RHS to "Architectural Style"

Can it really be called "Art Deco"?? Needs more reputable sources??

We could use this one instead:
"The Douaumont Ossuary also draws on Art Deco principles in its structural architecture, avoiding straight lines in favour of gentle, soft, intersecting curves" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_memorials

Author Colvin
Partaker
#45 | Posted: 24 Sep 2023 13:46 | Edited by: Colvin 
I may have missed it if this has already been suggested, but there is another link for Works by Nobel Prize Winning Authors:

Funerary and memory sites of the First World War: Rudyard Kipling (1907), The King's Pilgrimage

This poem is based on the journey King George V took in 1922 to visit war cemeteries including Étaples Military Cemetery and Tyne Cot Cemetery. Kipling's only son died in World War I, and Kipling subsequently served as a literary advisor with the Imperial War Graves Commission. Kipling selected the Biblical quote "THEIR NAME LIVETH FOR EVERMORE", found on the Stones of Remembrance at Commonwealth War Graves Commission cemeteries and memorials.

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