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Out or In Doubt #20

 
Author elsslots
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#1 | Posted: 28 Nov 2010 02:36 | Edited by: elsslots 
Some more:

Hospitals
Marrakesh - Bimaristan of Amir el Muminin el Mansur Abu Yusuf muslimheritage.com/topics/default.cfm?ArticleID=433
>> does the hospital still exist?

Middle Horizon - a period in South American history 200-1000 AD: Nazca, Tiwanaku, San Agustin, Tierradentro & Late Horizon - a period in South American history 1000-1500 AD: Machu Picchu, Cuzco, Humahuaca, Chan Chan, Rio Abiseo
>> for these "newer", more recent timelines, I prefer to use the centuries (like "built in the 8th century"), that way the different continents can be compared

Cave dwellings:
>> suggestion to limit the scope of this connection (although it has only 12 connected sites now) to exclude prehistory?

Keoladeo, 18th or 19th century:
>> AB evaluation hints on 1850's since it was artificially created, Wiki states "Initially, it was a natural depression; and was flooded after the Ajan Bund was constructed by Maharaja Suraj Mal, the then ruler of the princely state of Bharatpur, between 1726 to 1763."

Author Assif
Partaker
#2 | Posted: 28 Nov 2010 05:29 | Edited by: Assif 
Re: Cave Dwelling - if we limit cave dwellings to more recent history (which I think we should) Altai should be out.

Re: Middle and Late Horizons - these periods represent artistic styles and political organizations rather than mere chronology. Therefore, I think it makes sense to include them in addition to the centuries division. Erasing these periods would be analogue to erasing Renaissance or Baroque just because we add the centuries connection.

Author elsslots
Admin
#3 | Posted: 2 Dec 2010 01:45 
Assif:
Renaissance or Baroque

I don't think this is the same:
- renaissance or baroque are artistic styles, not periods
- in the 17th century, a building could be renaissance or baroque or ...; while the Middle and Late Horizons group the buildings by their age (as per wiki, I don't know more about them)

Also, Late Horizon groups all the Inca-sites again (we already have them in one connection)

Author elsslots
Admin
#4 | Posted: 2 Dec 2010 01:46 | Edited by: elsslots 
Some more "Out" for now:

1. (3423) Folk villages
Sgaang Gwaa
>> people don't live there anymore, it's an archeological/spiritual site

1. (3421) Built in the 19th Century
Sgang Gwaay
>> it was abandoned in the 19th, is much older

1. Cisterns
Bagerhat
>> explain or provide link

1. (3417) Mausolea
Bagerhat - Khan Jahan's Masoleum
>> we have it already under Tomb

Places with restrictions on photography : -Ancient Thebes with its Necropolis -Nubian Monuments : Abou Simbel -Paris, Banks of the Seine : Eiffel Tower -Pyramids (Memphis) : Mastaba de Tî -Stonehenge
>> I think there are too many of these, most of the more "special" WHS do not allow photographing the interior

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#5 | Posted: 2 Dec 2010 04:19 
elsslots:
I think there are too many of these, most of the more "special" WHS do not allow photographing the interior


I have to agree pretty much every palace or place that wants to increase its postcard sales will have some kind of restriction.

Are you really restricted from taking pictures of the Eiffel Tower or Stonehenge? I never encountered it at either site.

Author Assif
Partaker
#6 | Posted: 2 Dec 2010 14:05 
Re: Bagerhat
AB evaluation mentions water reservoirs but I found neither further info nor photos. Maybe someone else knows better?

Author Assif
Partaker
#7 | Posted: 3 Dec 2010 17:00 
Re: Sgaang Gwaay - 19th Century
What remains is unique in the world, a 19th-century Haida village where the ruins of 10 houses and 32 memorial or mortuary poles bespeak the power and artistry of a rich and flamboyant society.
http://www.pc.gc.ca/progs/spm-whs/itm2/site5.aspx

Author Assif
Partaker
#8 | Posted: 14 Dec 2010 09:20 
Re: Keoladeo - I think Unesco made yet another mistake with the date. I think mid 18th Century is the correct date as it appears so on the official website too.

Author elsslots
Admin
#9 | Posted: 28 Dec 2010 10:25 
Some more:

(3551) Pyramids
Nazca - Cahuachi, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahuachi
>> I can't find evidence that it is within the WHS core zone

(3538) Built in the 12th century
Studley Royal Park - Fountains Abbey founded in 1132
>> I would go for 18th, as focus OUV is on garden

(3512) Irrigation and drainage
Bagerhat - reservoirs (mentioned in by the AB)
>> I think they are cisterns?

(3531) Peter Paul Rubens
Vienna - The Kunsthistorischesmuseum has the largest collection of Rubens in the world. Most of it was commisioned by the Austrian royal family.
>> we usually don't connect Individual people to museums, but can you link Rubens more directly to Vienna?

Author Assif
Partaker
#10 | Posted: 28 Dec 2010 11:12 
Re: Pyramids - indeed out of the core zone.

Re: Bagerhat - The quality of the infrastructures - the supply and evacuation of water, the cisterns and reservoirs, the roads and bridges - all reveal a perfect mastery of the techniques of planning and a will towards spatial organization (AB).
IE, both cisterns and reservoirs.

Re: Rubens - Archduke Leopold William, whose collection forms the core of the [Rubens]collection of paintings now in the Kunsthistorisches Museum, and Johann Adam Andreas I of Liechtenstein, who commissioned the family's magnificent summer palace in Vienna, are among the most important seventeenth century collectors of Rubens. They were rivals when it came to acquiring works by the Flemish painter.
http://www.codart.nl/exhibitions/details/732/

Still this doesn't connect Vienna with the man himself but with his works.

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