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Author JanWillem
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#586 | Posted: 13 Feb 2026 23:40 
My best guess for #10 is a bit more south: 11.447840, -2.229436
This lands on (what could be a Sudanese-style) mosque in Tô Department in Nando. But it's far off from the coordinates in the Unesco file.

Author meltwaterfalls
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#587 | Posted: 14 Feb 2026 19:02 
JanWillem:
My best guess for #10 is a bit more south: 11.447840, -2.229436

Yep, I think that is the most logical mosque, I can't work out how that squares with the coordinates on the official site, but everything else is correct.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#588 | Posted: 14 Feb 2026 21:18 | Edited by: Solivagant 
JanWillem:
My best guess for #10 is a bit more south: 11.447840, -2.229436
This lands on (what could be a Sudanese-style) mosque in Tô Department in Nando. But it's far off from the coordinates in the Unesco file.

I think the Mosquée de Tô is near to the above suggested coordinates but actually EXACTLY here: 11.450229, -2.222282
There on Google satellite view you will be able to make out, if you zoom in, a square area and a building with minarets in the corners and in the centre of 1 side which conforms to the UNESCO description (If not its coordinates!!!) "Ces mosquées ont des formes carrées ou rectangulaires surplombées par un ou plusieurs minarets. Les minarets ont des formes triangulaires, rectangulaires, carrés, octogonales ou cylindriques"

Author JanWillem
Partaker
#589 | Posted: 14 Feb 2026 23:26 
Solivagant:
I think the Mosquée de Tô is near to the above suggested coordinates but actually EXACTLY here: 11.450229, -2.222282

I'm perfectly happy with that.

Btw. I searched a bit for the Mausoleum in Tajikistan, too, but in vain. I stranded with some photographs, and that it is in a village called 1-Maya in Tursunzoda, and did not find an additional map or address. Most websites just copy the text from Unesco.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#590 | Posted: 15 Feb 2026 08:01 | Edited by: Solivagant 
JanWillem:
it is in a village called 1-Maya in Tursunzoda,

Apparently a large tranche of villages in Tj got renamed in 2012. 1-Maya (also called "Pervomay") is now the Jamoat Tursun Tuychiev ..... see this https://tinyurl.com/1-maya-ref. See also this for the name change

This site shows the location of a number of Tajiki historic sites ..... the relevant one from this starting page is the one on the "bottom" of the approx isosceles triangle .... click on it and you get "Mavzoley Khodzha Nashrona". It is clearly shown close to a major road running East/West in Tj.....by comparison with Google Maps the road is Pamirskiy Trakt going west from Tursunzoda towards Uzbekistan.

I next got to this which is supposedly giving the coordinates for it on various maps. Only the Waze seems to give anything useful and suggests 38.530112,68.214686

That matches perfectly with the location shown on Pamirskiy Trakt above........ the only problem is that Google Satellite shows nothing of note there!! It is going to be reasonably close however as it is close to Tursunzoda which is undoubtedly the closest main town. The 2 Web sites might of course not be independent of each other for their sources. I have also not been able to establish whereabouts round Tursunzoda Jamoat Tursun Tuychiev is... it would be nice to know that it is to the West....but i can't prove that.

(The above post included Web site addresses in Cyrillic.... this forum software doesn't accept diacritics or Cyrillic....I got it changed by AI first using "Punycode" ...which still didn't work!......and then TinyURL......that doesn't work either. I give up but the post still generally makes sense even if some of the links are dead! @Els.....is there any plan to remove this restriction ...I had major problems with all those Forests in Poland and the Balkans etc in a recent post!)

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#591 | Posted: 21 Feb 2026 16:36 | Edited by: meltwaterfalls 
I was just having a look again at Mosquée de Tô, and I think JanWillem may have been correct with the first location.

It looks like there are 3 mosques in the town, they are all similar shapes and at a slightly different orientation (towards Mecca) than the other buildings in town, and they all have a square minaret on their eastern side:

Mosque 1 (11.447840, -2.229436) (JanWillem's propossal)
Mosque 2 (11.44655010147828, -2.2293314951103698) (a larger central mosque)
Mosque 3 (11.450237466586854, -2.2222701112305447) (Solivagant's propossal)

It is hard to tell, but from satelite images I would guess that Mosques 2 and 3 are more modern constructions, they look tidier and well defined, with thinner walls.

Whereas Mosque 1 seems to have slightly thicker, somewhat scruffier walls, which are a bit more a hall mark of the Sudanese style. Also it is on an open square, rather than in a walled compound which seems to be more in keeping with the other examples.

I'm not wedded to that being the correct answer, it is hard to define, just putting forward my thoughts.

Author Astraftis
Partaker
#592 | Posted: 23 Feb 2026 23:54 | Edited by: Astraftis 
Before frenziedly adding points of interest to the map, I would like to present here a revision of the (hopeless? but still persisting) TWHS of les villes bastionnées des Pays-Bas, after some little research on the ground.

Currently we have:
- Arras
- Bergues
- Bouchain
- Cambrai
- Condé-sur-l'Escaut
- Gravelines
- Landrecies
- Lille
- Maubeuge
- Quesnoy
- Watten

First remark: Quesnoy needs to be corrected in Le Quesnoy, that's the name of the place (different from the many other Quesnoyses)

The source for this list was a project trying to promote the inscription of some fortified cities of Northern France. However, the project lasted from 2003 to 2007, while the TWHS has been lying on the tentative list since 1996. Its description is extremely vague and seems to encompass every fortified place in three departments (ignoring the reference to Belgium and Netherlands): Nord, Pas de Calais and the old Champagne-Ardenne (now part of Grand Est), the latter not represented by our list. At the same time, the definition of "bastionnées" and the "expensive efforts of military constructions" seem to point to the activity of Vauban and the setup of the "pré carré" in the XVIII century.

Looking at that, also sustained by the maps shown in some of these fortified places (how can I upload photos) and searching for information on each, I would revise the list as follows (N = Nord, P = Pas de Calais, CA = Champagne-Ardenne):

- First line: Dunkerque* (N), Bergues (N), Lille (N), Condé-sur-l'Escaut (N), Valenciennes* (N), Le Quesnoy (N), Maubeuge (N), Givet* (CA)
- Second line: Gravelines (N), Saint-Omer* (P), Aire-sur-la-Lys* (P), Saint-Venant* (P), Béthune* (P), Arras (P), Douai* (N), Bouchain (N), Cambrai (N), Landrecies (N), Avesnes-sur-Helpe* (N), Rocroi* (CA), (Charleville-)Mézières* (CA), Sedan* (CA)
- Others: Calais* (P)

Part of the two lines but not in France: Veurne/Furnes, Fort Knokke/Fort de la Knocque, Ieper/Ypres, Warneton, Menen/Menin, Tournai, Philippeville, Dinant, Mariembourg

The places with a * would be new additions, 13 in total, with 4 representing Champagne-Ardennes, while Watten would be excluded. Dunkerque, Bergues, Lille, Condé-sur-l'Escaut, Gravelines, Béthune, Arras, Douai, Cambrai, Sedan and Calais are already inscribed on other grounds, but not for their fortifications.

In some places the fortifications are actually barely present anymore, like in Dunkerque, where they were completely destroyed as part of a treaty already in the XVIII century.

Author Astraftis
Partaker
#593 | Posted: 26 Feb 2026 16:48 
(I don't see changes yet, so can I proceed?)

Author elsslots
Admin
#594 | Posted: 27 Feb 2026 03:21 
Astraftis:
(I don't see changes yet, so can I proceed?)

You can add the locations yourself, do it as community based locations.

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