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Author elsslots
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#541 | Posted: 4 Feb 2025 05:22 
watkinstravel:
Old Fourah Bay College (Sierra Leone)

This one is OK I guess? https://maps.app.goo.gl/1W4Zph4PM22sGqLm7

Author watkinstravel
Partaker
#542 | Posted: 4 Feb 2025 06:21 
That seems to be the correct spot.

Author elsslots
Admin
#543 | Posted: 13 Mar 2025 07:06 | Edited by: elsslots 
If someone could help find the correct coordinates for the following 3 locations of the new Yogini Temples TWHS, that would be great. The official ones displayed are incorrect (wrong state, middle of nowhere etc)

8
Chausath Yogini Temple, Lokhari
Lokhari, Banda district, Uttar Pradesh

10
Chausath Yogini Temple, Rikhiyan
Rikhiyan, Mirzapur district, Uttar Pradesh

11
Chausath Yogini Temple, Kanchipuram
Kaveripakkam, Ranipet district, Tamil Nadu

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#544 | Posted: 13 Mar 2025 10:38 | Edited by: Solivagant 
elsslots:
Chausath Yogini Temple, Lokhari Lokhari, Banda district, Uttar Pradesh

Wiki mentions ALL 3 Temples under a section titled "Lost Shrines"....

Lokhari
"There appears to have been an early 10th-century yogini temple on a hilltop at Lokhari, Banda District, Uttar Pradesh. A set of twenty images, nearly all theriomorphic, the figures having the heads of animals such as horse, cow, rabbit, snake, buffalo, goat, bear, and deer, has been recorded.". Found more about it here.

Rikhiyan
"Some 150 miles north of Khajuraho on the south bank of the River Yamuna, in the Banda District, Uttar Pradesh, are the fragmentary remains of what seems to have been a rectangular 64-Yogini temple in the Rikhiyan valley."

Kaveripakkam
"Dehejia publishes and discusses yogini images of the Chola period, around 900 CE, recovered from northern Tamil Nadu.[56] These include one now in the British Museum,[57] others in the Madras Museum, the Brooklyn Museum, the Minneapolis Institute of Arts, the Detroit Institute of Arts, and the Royal Ontario Museum. The British Museum yogini is ascribed to Kanchipuram; the collection site is not known, but many sculptures of the same style were recovered from a large "tank" (artificial lake) at Kaveripakkam, seemingly derived from nearby temples."

This video describes a visit to Rhikiyan and states that it is close to the Lokhari Temple. It also places it within sight of the Yamuna river.

And here is another video about the Chuasath temple at Kanchipuram
This article states "The village of Kaveripakkam, in Tamil Nadu, south India, was once home to a group of life-sized, ninth- to tenth-century stone sculptures of Yogini goddesses. Although the Yogini temple is no longer extant, many of these sculptures have survived and now reside in museums in India, Europe, and North America."

The impression gained is that the temples have in effect "Vanished" and that the best we could do is to identify their possible approximate locations!!! Do we bother??? If we wanted I think we could establish the locations of the named villages where, nearby, the temples were (probably?) located!.

Further to this
The village/Town of Kaveripakkam is located at 12.905901, 79.461678
This 1 hour lecture (!!!!) on "The Tamil Yoginis" states just after 10 minutes .in ...."Part of the problem is that there is no trace of the original temple" !!!!! it goes on to describe in detail the researches and guesses made - this is a high quality academic lecture which I blieve we can take as gospel!! It will tell you all you need (and even more!!) about the Yogini Temples!!

Author elsslots
Admin
#545 | Posted: 13 Mar 2025 12:18 | Edited by: elsslots 
Solivagant:
The impression gained is that the temples have in effect "Vanished"

Pfffff.....

The text in the T Site description does hint at that, several statues being in museums for example "Several Yogini images of the Chola period, around 900 AD, were recovered from the site. These include one now in the British Museum, others in the Madras Museum, the Brooklyn Museum, the Minneapolis Institute of Arts, the Detroit Institute of Arts, and the Royal Ontario Museum. The British Museum Yogini is ascribed to Kanchipuram; the collection site is not known, but many sculptures of the same style were recovered from a large "tank" (artificial lake) at Kaveripakkam, seemingly derived from nearby temples."

We can do the tank at 12.903713001605556, 79.46257564614272

Author elsslots
Admin
#546 | Posted: 13 Mar 2025 13:53 
Solivagant:
Lokhari
"There appears to have been an early 10th-century yogini temple on a hilltop at Lokhari, Banda District, Uttar Pradesh.

Could it be this? 25.174237798399883, 80.69930612988296

Author elsslots
Admin
#547 | Posted: 13 Mar 2025 14:02 
Solivagant:
Rikhiyan
"Some 150 miles north of Khajuraho on the south bank of the River Yamuna, in the Banda District, Uttar Pradesh, are the fragmentary remains of what seems to have been a rectangular 64-Yogini temple in the Rikhiyan valley."

The description says "Since then the site has been steadily ransacked, and later the authorities removed the remaining three slabs (twelve Yoginis) to the nearby Gadhwa fort for protection."

I found a Garhwa Fort, maybe use that?
25.226238028566307, 81.58583892119809

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#548 | Posted: 13 Mar 2025 15:42 | Edited by: Solivagant 
elsslots:
but many sculptures of the same style were recovered from a large "tank" (artificial lake) at Kaveripakkam, seemingly derived from nearby temples."
We can do the tank at 12.903713001605556, 79.46257564614272

I don't think that small tank in the town is the one being referred to - that is the much larger lake a bit out of town which possesses a "bund" (long riased bank)- as per photos. See this article (available for download free) which confirms several times that NOTHING remains in the area except a few pieces in the bank of the Bund.

I think my concern about providing any coordinates implies that there is something to see there!!!! 12.914903, 79.452872

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#549 | Posted: 13 Mar 2025 15:55 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Regarding the other 2 sites - this person on X seems to know a lot about it ... can you contact him/her? It worries me that it says that the statues can "currently be found at".... no different really from using the coordinates of a museum... that is not the actual site. The implication is that the ASI are at Garhwa and are using it to securely store statues??

Yes - I get the impression that Garhwa Fort is just a convenient "nearby" place run by ASI where statues related to the Lokhari temple can be stored. The location of both temples we still have to settle on is much closer to the Yamuna River than this fort.
"Some more sculptures were later found in the Lokhari village temple, including a rare one of a rabbit-faced Yogini sculpture. However all these were found severely damaged and have been kept at Garhwa Fort, a Gupta period temple relics complex near Allahabad by Archaeological Survey of India"

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#550 | Posted: 13 Mar 2025 17:50 | Edited by: Solivagant 
another possible surce of info.....? https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=862887735627188&id=100057179092615
Again - confirms that the remains had been "taken to" Garhwa Fort rather than that being one of the temple sites

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#551 | Posted: 14 Mar 2025 00:33 | Edited by: Solivagant 
Solivagant:
I think my concern about providing any coordinates implies that there is something to see there!!!! 12.914903, 79.452872

I really don't think we should use these coordinates (or at least without "explanation"). I have found another article - this time from the Smithsonian describing the provenance of a Yogini Statue it posseses which came originally from the T List site in Tamil Nadu. It has travelled through many hands.... it seems that Yoginis can get moved and used in other temples than the original..... in this case it originally came from (my "bolds")- "Late-9th/mid-10th Century-? A no-longer-extant Yogini temple, Kaveripakkam, Tamil Nadu, India[1]"......."[1] The Yogini temple, which dates to the late-9th/mid-10th century and originally contained around a dozen sculptures of Yoginis and other deities, fell out of use sometime in the following centuries. Likely constructed of stone foundations supporting brick walls, no trace of its structure can be found on-site"
Why on earth India would include locations within a T List entry where even it admits in its UNESCO text "the collection site is not known, but many sculptures of the same style were recovered from a large "tank" (artificial lake) at Kaveripakkam, seemingly derived from nearby temples"... who knows!!

Author elsslots
Admin
#552 | Posted: 14 Mar 2025 08:10 | Edited by: elsslots 
I have added the 3 'lost' ones without coordinates, so we know they are part of it but don't try to visit!

Author Astraftis
Partaker
#553 | Posted: 19 May 2025 13:10 | Edited by: Astraftis 
Tronçon Bavay-Tongres de la chaussée romaine Boulogne-Cologne
elsslots:
Thanks, Astraftis! I've added a bunch.

I really became aware of the new dots on the map with the WH collect app. Now, I know that many will think that all this attention, time and energy could be spent on better things than a hopeless TWHS, but I have to make some notes:

- the tumulus de Pépin in Landen is way off the road and is Medieval (still an interesting place, though)
- the tumulus de Glimes is also far from the road
- the tumulus d'Avernas is actually the trou de Billemont, but this is also in a completely different region

I would add the tumuli du soleil even if they are also in a dot-rich region. Many other points could be added and maybe I can take a better look ata publication I have, but the fact is that most of the time there is nothing to see (excavations are covered again or anyway not accessible).

Update:


OK, we could add the site of the castellum at Liberchies, here, (also see here), where apparently something more than nothing can be guessed at. It's also a "Patrimoine exceptionnel de Wallonie". With this I think that the layout of the chaussée is decently represented on the map.

Author elsslots
Admin
#554 | Posted: 24 Jul 2025 04:01 
People who like to puzzle can help me with this new Yemeni TWHS, as no coordinates were provided:
Agricultural Terraces in Yemen
https://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/6875/

Location 2:
Yafa' in Lahj and Abyan governorates.
Could it be this one? 14.564947730907118, 44.326859911760906

Location 3:
Bilad Al-Ta'am, Kosmah, Al Ja'friyah, and Al Salifiyah in Rimah Governorate.
No idea

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#555 | Posted: 24 Jul 2025 05:45 | Edited by: Solivagant 
elsslots:
People who like to puzzle can help me with this new Yemeni TWHS, as no coordinates were provided:
Agricultural Terraces in Yemen https://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/6875/

2 initial problems
a. The 3 individual "groups" contain multiple locations within the mentioned governorates - some of which are distant from each other within the same group - leaving a mystery as to why they have been listed together!!. We clearly have more than 3 different locations.
b. The spellings of the Governorates are not all as are used on the Web

So the official UNESCO list is (with the better spelling in Capitals)
1. Bani Al-Awam and Wadi La'a in Hajjah and Al Mahwit governorates.
2. Yafa' in Lahj and Abyan governorates. ("LAHIJ")
3. Bilad Al-Ta'am, Kosmah, Al Ja'friyah, and Al Salifiyah in Rimah Governorate. ("RAYMAH")

We would therefore seem potentially to have the following "locations" and Governorates (= G)
1. Hajjah G - Bani Al-Awam
2. Al Mahwit G - Wadi La'a
3. Lahij G - Yafa
4. Raymah G - Bilad Al-Ta'am
5. Raymah G - Kosmah
6. Raymah G - Al Ja'friya
7. Raymah G - Al Salifiyah

There is also "Yafa' in Lahj and Abyan governorates.". There is certainly a "Terrace significant" Yafa in Lahij G and Lahij G does indeed "abut" Abyan G so, perhaps the "Terraces" do extend into the other province? I propose, however, only to use the coordinates for Yafa in the Lahij G.

There is no way we are going to identify locations down to the "Terrace level". I propose that, unless we can do better, we attempt to do so ONLY to the "District" level immediately below "Governorate" - the Wiki entries for each G list the Districts and these do indeed cover most of the locations. I have provided the Wiki link to the District where I found it. Those Wiki entries include coordinates for the "district" and I have simply copied these as, presumably, being reasonably "central"

1. Hajjah G - Bani Al-Awam D 15.6814, 43.4497
2. Al Mahwit G - Wadi La'a. This is not a "District" but Wiki says of Al Mahwit that it is "set in the Haraz Mountains and attracts trekkers. Al-Mahwit is surrounded by several wadis such as Wadi Sama'a, Wadi Eyan, Wadi Juma't Saria, Wadi Hawar, Wadi Bour, Wadi Al- Hawdh, Wadi Thabab, Wadi Laa'a, Wadi Al-Ahjer and Wadi Naa'wan" - so I have used the coordinates for Al Mahwit City - 15.469656, 43.545058
3. Lahij G - Yafa D 13.65, 45.216667
4. Raymah G - Bilad Al-Ta'am D 14.666667, 43.583333
5. Raymah G - Kosmah D 14.583333, 43.666667
6. Raymah G - Al Ja'friya D 14.5194, 43.5817
7. Raymah G - Al Salifiyah D 14.6864, 43.8214

Incidentally - a number of the locations are "famous" for their Terrace grown Mocha Coffee which amazingly never gets a mention in the UNESCO Blurb whicfh simply refers to e.g "Agriculture". E.g for Yafa

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