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Author elsslots
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#526 | Posted: 23 Mar 2024 06:23 
Thanks hubert and Solivagant, Kasoma it is!

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#527 | Posted: 18 Apr 2024 14:16 | Edited by: jonathanfr 
Arsenal de Rochefort et fortifications de l'estuaire de la Charente

We could add 10 locations mentioned in this page :
https://www.lieux-insolites.fr/cicatrice/vauban/fouras/fouras1.htm

Author Messy
Partaker
#528 | Posted: 18 Apr 2024 17:25 
The UNESCO website doesn't have any tentative lists on it.

Author elsslots
Admin
#529 | Posted: 18 Apr 2024 17:40 
Messy:
The UNESCO website doesn't have any tentative lists on it.

I don't know what you mean? They're here.

jonathanfr was referring to this tentative site:
https://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/1668/
Will try to add his suggestions.

Author elsslots
Admin
#530 | Posted: 29 Apr 2024 11:28 | Edited by: elsslots 
For those who use the official coordinates for TWHS: the ones for the new Cuban Sites of Memory of Slavery are off. Not only is there a slight but annoying error at the end of each coordinate (' ' instead of "), but location 8 corresponds to site 7 and two other cultural sites point to somewhere in the sea. Will give it another try with Google, and come back here for help if that doesn't work.

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#531 | Posted: 7 May 2024 19:10 
We could add 3 locations for "L'ensemble monumental de Tirgu Jiu" and 3 for "Royal Residences of Sinaia".

Author elsslots
Admin
#532 | Posted: 8 May 2024 04:33 
jonathanfr:
We could add 3 locations for "L'ensemble monumental de Tirgu Jiu"

This really is 1 (linear) location, as confirmed by the list of nominations for 2024.

jonathanfr:
3 for "Royal Residences of Sinaia".

Here I also believe that it is meant as 1 location, a (cultural) landscape. The town is also part of the proposal, not only the castles although the title suggests otherwise.

Author elsslots
Admin
#533 | Posted: 9 Jun 2024 09:19 
I've updated all the coordinates for the serial locations (such as Via Appia, Migratory Birds extension, and 277 Dacian Limes sites) of the 2024 nominations on our maps, as per doc 8b. My batch conversion & copy tricks were a bit rusty this morning, but I think it turned out fine in the end. I only need to have a second try at the Romanian location names which have lost their diacritics.

But all locations should be there now! The Migratory Birds extension for example now has a location close to Shanghai.

Author Astraftis
Partaker
#534 | Posted: 21 Oct 2024 20:13 
Let's talk about Romans (ancient ones) in Belgium. Even if it is about a tent with approximately 0,5% chances of inscription. But one gets fixated about it, there is no way out.

So, for le tronçon Bavay-Tongres de la chaussée romaine Boulogne-Cologne (the Roman causeway between Bavay [France] and Tongeren) we have just one location, clearly just symbolically placed on the Gallo-Roman museum in Tongeren (Tongres/Tongern/Atuaticum).

In the reviews, Peter Alleblas explored the city, but David Berlanda (in 2008!) went on a righter track going to Hesbaye (Haspengouw/Hespengau/Hasbania) looking for tumulus (tumuli/Hügelgräber/tumuli), and recently I did the same. In fact, this is a very, literally linear proposal, so it poses us the same problems as all similar ones.

I would say we need some more points to at least give an idea of it, and, even from the official description, tumulus (tumuli/Hügelgräber/tumuli) are quintessential (quintessence/voornaamst/unentbehrlich/praecipuissimi). So:

- Bavay (Bavik/-/Bagacum) as the other endpoint (even if it is in France, is this technically possible?)
- somewhere like here on the N69, as it is a very scenic trait and even signposted as cultural heritage
- some tumulus along the road taken from this list, which is itself based on this academic but accessible publication (with a more understandable map). The tumuli du soleil (zonnentumuli/Sonnenhügelgräber/solis tumuli) are no. 1, whatever this means. I found the ones in Seron the best suited for a visit, though.
- maybe the Gallo-Roman museum in Waudrez (Vodgoriacum) for the Western part, which seems to lack the earthen mounds. Enjoy its early '00s website (yes, it is still active, even if difficult to visit)

Author elsslots
Admin
#535 | Posted: 26 Oct 2024 05:57 
Thanks, Astraftis! I've added a bunch.

Author elsslots
Admin
#536 | Posted: 22 Jan 2025 15:44 
Need some help with the locations of The Area of Old Carved Stone in Sapa:
- We have not mapped the 4th location, Lao Chai - any guesses to pinpoint the "'Mother piece' of carved stone"?
- I also cannot reconstruct how we came to the locations of the other 3, but I seriously doubt they point to the stones that are meant in this proposal.

Comparing to Google Maps, I think the site named Sapa Ancient Stone Gallery (Bai Da Co Sa Pa) must be one.

Author jonathanfr
Partaker
#537 | Posted: 22 Jan 2025 16:39 
I visited the location of one of these stones:

22°18'13.8"N 103°53'54.5"E
or
22.303839, 103.898483

I'll send you a 2023 photo I took on site by email. It was the biggest one, protected by a fence, that I could see from the road but I think I passed by a bigger stone below.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#538 | Posted: 22 Jan 2025 17:23 | Edited by: Solivagant 
This web site seems the best for establishing locations and includes a map. I do not see within the UNESCO description any particular reason to conclude that the stones should be shown as 4 different locations. The article states "Nearly 200 scattered rocks run nearly 4km long, 2km wide" They are all very close to each other and it would seem better to have just one location based on a significant stone?

The Mother Stone would seem an ideal choice??? Translating the Map within the article shows that "Da" = Stone". 4 separate locations are identified with a line leading from them and each has the word ""Da"in its title. "Hon da Me 69" identified by a large triangle is the "Mother Rock". "Bai" is translated as "Beach" by Google Lens on the map - the same word as is used in the article in English.

The problem then is to relate the Map in the article to Google to obtain coordinates!! The road would seem to be the TL152 running NW to SE. The "mother rock" is situated just where the road jinks north but south of the river - this is indeed near Lao Chai.
This article states "Today, when going to the ancient stone field, the border of the two communes of Hau Thao and Ta Van, people still see two stones lying near the road. They call them the Mother and the Father stone, there is also a smaller stone nearby called the Baby Stone." Separate google map searches on each of Ta Van and Hau Thao show that these are neighbouring "communes" whose area is highlighted in Google maps - but I cannot identify the exact location on Google!!

Vietnamese Wiki has an article on the Stones (with interesting background -it suggests that there was a failed nomination in 1997 but I suspect this refers to the addition to the T List only??) Wiki has a pair of coordinates in the area but it is in the middle of a rice terrace with no stones and isn't worth using! It does however lead to another article ( "Cry for help from Sa Pa ancient rock") with numerous photos of the stones showing many alongsisde roads etc.

After all of this I would suggest having just a single location at Bai da Co Sa Pa as suggested by Els!! 22.304133, 103.898662 It doesn't fit with the map of the first article beng situated right alongside the main road and doesn't seem to be the "Mother Stone" but is clearly associated with the Stones - if one got that close finding the individual stones in the area would not be difficult!!.

Author elsslots
Admin
#539 | Posted: 22 Jan 2025 17:24 | Edited by: elsslots 
jonathanfr:
I visited the location of one of these stones:

22°18'13.8"N 103°53'54.5"E
or
22.303839, 103.898483

I'll send you a 2023 photo I took on site by email.

Thanks! This may be the Mother Stone as referred to in location 4.
The other big one, the "father piece", is 15 metres long and 6 metres high which this one seems not to be.
UPDATE - the big one indeed you sent as Google pic #2 must be the "Father Stone". As it doesn't show an exact location, I think it is best to go with 1 location for all as suggested above by Solivagant as there are a lot of those stones within a small area.

Author watkinstravel
Partaker
#540 | Posted: 3 Feb 2025 19:24 
On the map for the Old Fourah Bay College (Sierra Leone) the marker is on the new college location and not the old one which is separate and closer to the coast.

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