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Author elsslots
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#511 | Posted: 7 Jul 2023 12:52 | Edited by: elsslots 
The Stone Pillar Sites of Turkana Basin is one of the new Kenyan TWHS:
https://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/6663/

I have not been able to find coordinates for locations 2, 3 and 4 (Kalokol, Jarigole, Lokoli). For the time being, I have placed the markers at the eponymous towns, but if someone is up for some staring at Google Maps looking for stone pillars and finding the true coordinates, be my guest.

UPDATE: found Kalokol, it even has a Wikipedia page

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#512 | Posted: 7 Jul 2023 13:29 | Edited by: meltwaterfalls 
This page places Lokoli (also know as Nomoratunga I) at 2.3838, 36.1344
There is also a marker on Google Maps, but this could just be circular referencing. It is between two rivers as described, though it is quite distant from Lokoli (50km).

There is a vague circular shape on Satelite view but nothing especially obvious, this site also coroborates the name Namortung'a I, and it seems to have the exact same text as nomination file.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#513 | Posted: 7 Jul 2023 14:13 | Edited by: Solivagant 
This report contains a map which confirms the approx location of all 4 pillar groups.
Lothagem, Karikole and Jarigole are all as per our coodinates.

Lokoli is also called "Lokori" (as per the article cited above by Meltwaterfalls) BUT is placed rather closer to the Kerio river than it does -but also it is perhaps too close - hardly "between" the 2 rivers?.
Nb this "Pillar sites have long been important landmarks to modern Turkana residents, who call them namoratunga (''stone people'').".

It also confirms Lokori as being located at "nearby hills between the Kerio and Kangatet rivers. Referred to as ''Namoratunga I,''.
I would suggest sticking with the coordinates as per Meltwaterfalls conclusion ...even if it is further away from the river than the article map.

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#514 | Posted: 7 Jul 2023 14:37 | Edited by: meltwaterfalls 
This academic article has the precise co-ordinates for Jarigole (3°37′48.0′′N, 36°21′36.0′′E) or 3.63,36.36 in decimals, though I can't say it looks like much on a satelite map.
But it corresponds with the details on the nomination text and the article Solivagant found as well.

Author elsslots
Admin
#515 | Posted: 8 Jul 2023 00:44 
Thanks, guys!

Author elsslots
Admin
#516 | Posted: 15 Jul 2023 10:07 
Turns out that a fair percentage of the locations of the Mughal and Colonial Temples officially given on the UNESCO website are incorrect.

Have tried to improve them, only still unsure about the 3 Chaklanabish temples in Shalnagar: I can't see a difference between them (maybe they're next to each other)

Author Zoe
Partaker
#517 | Posted: 10 Jan 2024 09:15 
Rusizi should be two locations
https://www.worldheritagesite.org/tentative/id/5147

The easily spot delta reserve at the lake, and the palm grove fields are the ones following up the river?

Author winterkjm
Partaker
#518 | Posted: 9 Mar 2024 22:36 | Edited by: winterkjm 
I noticed for the Civil Rights Movement Sites (USA) the Ebenezer Baptist Church is located incorrectly in Tennessee, its actual location is in Atlanta, Georgia.

Author elsslots
Admin
#519 | Posted: 10 Mar 2024 06:19 
winterkjm:
the Ebenezer Baptist Church is located incorrectly in Tennessee, its actual location is in Atlanta, Georgia.

Even in Atlanta, there are two! I guess it's this one on Jackson Street?

Author Colvin
Partaker
#520 | Posted: 10 Mar 2024 17:44 
Yes -- that's the Ebenezer Baptist Church where Martin Luther King Jr. (and his father) pastored. It's part of the Martin Luther King Jr National Historic Park in Atlanta.

Author elsslots
Admin
#521 | Posted: 22 Mar 2024 18:50 
Cannot find a location for the new Geometric Rock art TWHS location called 'Mara' in Tanzania. Any ideas?

The one stated at https://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/6738 is an erroneous copy of the line above.

It is mentioned in some scientific articles but I cannot fully access them. An excerpt hints at "excavation of two rock art shelters, namely, Nyamang'ora and Nyankingi in Kasoma Village,. Musoma Rural District in Mara" -> I've found the village of Kasoma but the rock art location??

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#522 | Posted: 22 Mar 2024 19:15 | Edited by: Solivagant 
elsslots:
Cannot find a location for the new Geometric Rock art TWHS location called 'Mara' in Tanzania. Any ideas?

Ddid you find this article which describes at least part of the process leading to the selection of the included sites?
"Challenges in preparing a serial transnational nomination for geometric rock art sites in the Lake Victoria region of Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda"

There is a map which is supposed to show the locations --- but it doesn't?? Surely "Mara" must refer to the region??
It may provide some extra clues for someone like you who has already trawled the area!!!!
I noted this sentence - "The serial transnational nomination is considering two sites from Kenya, five from Tanzania and six sites from Uganda (Figure 2). All the proposed sites for serial transnational nomination are either on islands or in areas which were formerly swamps or wetlands"

That would have been 13 - but the current UNESCO list is only 12. - 2 Kenya, 6 Uganda and ONLY 4 from Tanzania.

Author elsslots
Admin
#523 | Posted: 22 Mar 2024 19:24 
Solivagant:
There is a map which is supposed to show the locations --- but it doesn't??

Funny map!

Mara is a very large region so it is hard to pinpoint something.

Solivagant:
All the proposed sites for serial transnational nomination are either on islands or in areas which were formerly swamps or wetlands"

This might help, but I am afraid that the sites are so minor that they are not indicated at Google Maps.

Author hubert
Partaker
#524 | Posted: 22 Mar 2024 19:48 | Edited by: hubert 
elsslots:
Cannot find a location for the new Geometric Rock art TWHS location called 'Mara' in Tanzania. Any ideas?

You should look at the Tanzania entry 6739:
https://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/6739/

They are different. You will find 'Musoma' instead of 'Mara' but with the same coordinates. But if you scroll down you will find several sublocations under 'Musoma district' with other coordinates.

Author Solivagant
Partaker
#525 | Posted: 22 Mar 2024 19:51 | Edited by: Solivagant 
does this take you any further forward??
"KASOMA ROCK ART SHELTERS: A REFLECTION ON LOCAL AWARENESS AND CONSERVATION CHALLENGES"
"This paper stems from an archaeological excavation of two rock art shelters, namely, Nyamang'ora and Nyankingi in Kasoma Village, Musoma Rural District in Mara Region in 2012"

So - Kasoma is in the "Mara Region"

"This alarming lack of knowledge about their own cultural heritage among people living in Kasoma Village poses serious threats to the conservation and sustainability of the priceless rock paintings at Nyamang'ora and Nyankingi rock shelters"

So - the same shelters as you referred to earlier.

"Both rock shelters are located in the granite kopjes of Kasoma Village, Musoma Rural District in Mara Region (Mwitondi 2012; Mabulla 2005). This village is situated along the shore of Lake Victoria. Nyamang'ora rock shelter is found at latitude 1° 46' 58" S and longitude 33° 34' 30" E, about 1166 meters above sea level. Nyankingi rock shelter is found at latitude 1° 46' 33" S and longitude 33° 34' 15" E, about 1161 meters above sea level
(Figure 1). Nyankingi rock shelter is located about two kilometers northwest of Nyamang'ora and about 500 meters from the Lake Victoria shore (Figure 1)
."

If these are the ones then it should be possible to put a very close location......but are they? They seem significant certainly -

See maps etc here - https://journals.udsm.ac.tz/index.php/uj/article/view/2245/2088

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