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Author meltwaterfalls
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#1 | Posted: 5 May 2013 17:23 
It seems I have an unexpected trip out to Salzburg and Munich in a couple of weeks and was just wondering if people have any tips.

I only have limited time in Salzburg, and I'm tempted to head out to Hallstatt for part of it. Thankfully Joyce has already posted on this.

Are there any must see sites in Salzburg that I should make time for, or is a lengthy stroll around with a few pit stops for a Melange enough to get the best out of the city? With my success a few years back on Viennese Cafe recommendations does anyone have similar tips, or are the outposts of the major Viennese Cafe's a good way to go?

In a similar vein are there any recommendations for Munich? Particularly in regards to Beer Halls. I'm a little wary of it being a 'must' on the backpacking scene so was hoping that someone in the know may have a suggestion for a place where my drinking companions are more likely to be from Bavaria, rather than Surrey or New South Wales.

But as ever any tips will be greatly appreciated.

Author Assif
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#2 | Posted: 6 May 2013 03:27 
In Salzburg I wouldn't miss Hellbrunn and Mirabell Gardens, both outside the centre. In the centre there is an excellent and famous cafe - Tomaselli. I would visit the fort for the view and the historical museum for interesting info and excavations. The Residenz is worthwhile too.

Author hubert
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#3 | Posted: 7 May 2013 14:20 | Edited by: hubert 
I agree with the recommendations of Assif. Tomaselli at the "Alter Markt" is a must, it's supposed to be the oldest existing Kaffeehaus in Austria:

http://www.tomaselli.at/en/

The best way to get an impression of Salzburg is just to stroll through the streets of the Old Town, like the famous Getreidegasse, have a look into the Cathedral and the St Peter church, and don't miss the atmospheric St Peter Cemetery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petersfriedhof

And taste some "Mozartkugel", but be aware that there are at least three "originals":

http://www.original-mozartkugel.com/
http://www.mozartkugel.at/mozartkugel/page?siteid=mozartkugel-prd&locale=aten1&PagecR ef=1
http://www.holzermayr.at/pages/de/startseite.php

The view from the Hohensalzburg Castle is great, I would not recommend to visit the interior, but as far as I know the entrance to the inner courtyard is free. I can also recommend the restaurant Stieglkeller half way up to the Castle, I am not sure about the quality of the food, but the beer garden offers a nice view to the Cathedral and the rooftops of the Old Town:

http://www.taste-gassner.com/stieglkeller/

If you have more time, you can also walk along the Mönchsberg (from the Castle to the modern Mönchberg Museum 1 km) with panoramic views of the Old Town. Mirabell Gardens on the opposite side of the Salzach river is also worthwhile, the garden is precisely aligned to have a direct view to the Hohensalzburg Castle. Hellbrunn Castle and Garden is also nice, but it is outside the city center and not within the core zone of the WHS.

Munich:
It's a few years now since my last visit to Munich, but I think things haven't changed. The large beer halls in and around the inner city are popular with tourists, locals and people from other parts in Germany/Europe who live, work or study in Munich (the latter is probably the largest group). The exception is the famous "Hofbräuhaus", where tourists are the majority, I would skip that.
My favorite is the "Hofbräukeller", a bit off the beaten track, with the most beautiful beer garden in Munich, you sit under old chestnut trees:

http://www.hofbraeukeller.de/

A highlight for sightseeing in Munich is the Olympic Stadium, but you already know. The inner city is not that nice compared for instance with Vienna, the main sights are the Frauenkirche, Viktualienmarkt, Residence, Marienplatz, Theatinerkirche - nice, but not outstanding.
My tips for the inner city are the small, but sumptuous and exorbitant decorated Asam Church and - just around the corner - the modern synagogue:

http://www.muenchen.de/sehenswuerdigkeiten/orte/130982.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohel_Jakob_synagogue_%28Munich%29

Author Assif
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#4 | Posted: 7 May 2013 15:38 
In Munich I would also visit Königsplatz and Odeonplatz, both of which I find to be quite impressive squares.

Author meltwaterfalls
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#5 | Posted: 9 May 2013 18:37 | Edited by: meltwaterfalls 
Thanks very much for the recommendations, some that I didn't know much about. Königsplatz and Odeonplatz actually seem rather interesting, good places to head on the way between beerhalls.

I also didn't realise there were different versions of Mozartkugel, I had only even encountered the 'Mirabell' ones.

And yeah, the Olympic Stadium is at the top of my must see list (anywhere that has hosted an Olympic Games plus the finals of World Cup, European Championship and Champions League really needs a visit regardless of the architecture).

One question that has turned up as I have been researching. Are there any discount tickets on Austrian trains similar to Germany's Länder-Tickets. Just that the trip to Hallstatt is looking expensive. It is €25 each way plus the ferry crossing. Then €26 to visit the mine and €8 for the museum. It all looks rather pricey, even for someone used to London prices. I wasn't really budgeting near €100 for a day trip so I'm almost thinking of reluctantly skipping it, so any ideas on savings would be greatly appreciated.

Author Assif
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#6 | Posted: 10 May 2013 03:36 
There's is a similar offer in Austria:
http://www.oebb.at/en/Tickets/Groups/Einfach-Raus-Ticket/

Author hubert
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#7 | Posted: 10 May 2013 11:59 | Edited by: hubert 
meltwaterfalls:
Then €26 to visit the mine

This is really expensive, although the cable car is included. The salt mine alone costs 19 euros, still a lot of money.

meltwaterfalls:
And yeah, the Olympic Stadium is at the top of my must see list

Yes, it's worth a visit, it definitely has the potential for a WHS. The pavilion roof is unique (it spans not only the stadium, but also the sports hall and the swim hall), and the concept of the whole area is exceptional. The architects wanted to create a contrast to the Berlin Games in 1936. The Olympic Park should demonstrate a new friendly and open minded image of Germany. From distance only the roof is visible, but when entering the stadium you see the playing field and the spectator stands at your feet. In contrast, the Berlin Olympic stadium is "Colosseum-like", visitors stand in front of huge, impressive walls.

You can visit the Olympic Stadium on your own (3 Euro entrance fee, I think), you can stroll around the whole arena and to the spectators area. There are also guided tours (once a day), there you have also access to the interior, the dressing rooms, the former VIP area and the VIP box. That's not very exciting, it has the atmosphere of the 70's, not to compare with the luxurious facilities in a modern arena. But I remember my visit some years ago, our guide provided a lot of information on the architecture and the history of the area, former uses etc.
I can also recommend to go up to the TV tower, you have a beautiful view of the Olympic Park, the former Olympic village and the BMW World.

The latter is worth the short walk from the Olympic Stadium, even if you are not interested in cars. The new BMW centre was designed by the Austrian architect group Coop Himmelb(l)au.

http://www.muenchenarchitektur.com/architekturhighlights/18-sonderbauten/31-bmw-welt

Unfortunately, there are no longer football matches or other sporting events, but rock concerts and similar events. There were even car races some years ago. And this is probably the main problem of a future WHS bid: the owners do not want to be restricted in the use of the area for such events.

It must be said that Germany was very successful in getting inscribed its modern heritage (at least from the early 20th century). But there are still some modern architecture and technical/industrial sites that are worth to be considered for WHS. Unfortunately, none of them are nominated for the upcoming German T-List.

Author meltwaterfalls
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#8 | Posted: 12 May 2013 18:51 
Assif:
There's is a similar offer in Austria

Thanks Assif, it is a bit pricer than the German ones, but it does cover the whole country (I think) and cuts about €20 of the cost of the trip so that is good.

Yep, I am with you on the Olympic stadium becoming a WHS. I think 20th century sports heritage has a lot more to offer and is very reflective of changes in movement of people and leisure time.

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