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Author elsslots
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#1 | Posted: 7 Jun 2021 13:28 
Slovenia did not have a topic so far, but with 2 nominations in the 2020/2021 session it's about time!

I have been looking at the differences between the TWHS locations and those in the AB evaluations of 2020/2021. I also spotted one for Ljubljana: in addition to the 6 TWHS components, the Church of St. Francis of Assisi will also be included.

Author JobStopar
Partaker
#2 | Posted: 7 Jun 2021 13:49 | Edited by: JobStopar 
Great to see Slovenia got its own topic! As Els noted, the Plečnik nomination also includes the Church of St. Francis of Assisi in Šiška, but the Classical Karst nomination, although now probably destined for a complete re-do or as IUCN advises, a transformation into an extension of the Škocjan caves WHS as a base for a future Dinaric Karst serial nomination with other Dinaric countries, includes a bit of a different area as we have it on our TWHS map. Notably, the Podgrad Lowland with its blind valleys and the Karst Plateau have been omitted, while I also see that the Predjama cave is now only featured in the buffer zone of the property. I am also not sure if our connection Already part of a WHS applies now, as the new property doesn't include parts of the Škocjan caves WHS, but just borders its buffer zone if I understand correctly?

Nevertheless, looking forward to the conference and hopefully the inscription of my university's library as part of the Plečnik nomination!

Author Jurre
Partaker
#3 | Posted: 13 May 2022 04:31 
Article on Jože Plečnik's architecture on the website of the BBC:

The design that changed European cities

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#4 | Posted: 28 Feb 2023 09:43 | Edited by: meltwaterfalls 
Having just read Clyde's recent review of The works of Jože Plečnik in Ljubljana – Human Centred Urban Design
I'm in two minds on the short title we use: Ljubljana, it doesn't quite feel right to me.

In the pro column:
- All the projects are in Ljubljana
- It is actually about the urban plan of the city, including what would legitimately be viewed as the City Centre.
- From a practical travellers point of view, visiting Ljubljana will be the only way to visit the site.

In the con column:
- It doesn't really get to the root of what the OUV of the site is. It isn't really the centre of Ljubljana that is inscribed, it is about the specific urban planning and works of Jože Plečnik
- Other sites associated with a specific architect are listed by their name or the building name: The Architectural Work of Le Corbusier, Sydney Opera House)
- We have used city names where a single architect is very prominent, but in these cases the whole centre is specifically inscribed: Brasilia, le Havre, Vicenza*
- In other cases where the works of a single architect are within one city we separate them out: Works of Antoni Gaudi, Major Town Houses (of Victor Horta)
- In cases where a specific part of the urban plan is inscribed we highlight that: Paris, Banks of the Seine, Roman Walls of Lugo, Paseo del Prado and Buen Retiro

So someone reading that Ljubljana is a WHS may (not unreasonably) conclude that they have ticked it off, but they may not actually visit any of the inscribed parts (a bit of a stretch to think they wouldn't cross the inscribed parts of the river banks I know, but indulge me) you could visit: the main station, parliament, cathedral, old town, castle, major squares (Prešernov, Republike, Stari), Tivoli park and the Opera House and not be in the core zone, but you have certainly visited Ljubljana.

My proposal for a shorter name would be something like:
Works of Jože Plečnik in Ljubljana -or-
Plečnik's Lubljana

*I also don't think Vicenza really captures what that site is inscribed for, the focus is really on the works of Palladio and the urban fabric of Vicenza is somewhat secondary.
I would propose something like: Vicenza and the Palladian Villas

Author elsslots
Admin
#5 | Posted: 28 Feb 2023 18:40 
meltwaterfalls:
Plečnik's Lubljana

I choose this one. You have a point of course.

Altered Vicenza as well

Author Astraftis
Partaker
#6 | Posted: 3 Mar 2023 06:34 
elsslots:
meltwaterfalls:
Plečnik's Lubljana

I choose this one. You have a point of course.

Altered Vicenza as well

Pedantic note: it is Ljubljana (I could not find it at first!).

Author meltwaterfalls
Partaker
#7 | Posted: 6 Mar 2023 13:27 
Astraftis:
Pedantic note: it is Ljubljana

Apologies, it seems that stems from my original typo (I had to check I hadn't spelt it wrong all through my post :))

Thanks for doing that update Els, I ended up writing a lot as I was waiting for something at work, so it was slight overkill.

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